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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:32:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct:
1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped.
2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal.
3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified.
Nope, you didn't clarify that at all.
Can you be scammed as part of the recruitment process while using the Recruitment Channel. Yes or No?
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:56:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:GM Spiral wrote:I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct:
1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped.
2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal.
3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified. Nope, you didn't clarify that at all. Can you be scammed as part of the recruitment process while using the Recruitment Channel. Yes or No? You can be scammed. But people are not allowed to post anything outside of legitimate recruitment advertises in the channel, which means if a Goon writes "Join Goon NOW! Convo me for details" he can get punished for that, just like someone writing "goons stink" or "WTS 10 Hulks only direct trade" as its all off topic
Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:32:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this. You are always responsible for the outcome of any deal you enter into yourself in EVE Online, Customer Support can not protect you from your own choices. Posting scams in the Recruitment Channel is forbidden in the same way that posting off topic there is forbidden. It is a measure of moderation of the channel, being a member of the channel does not carry with it any implied protection from such scams any more than being a member of the Help channel does.
So the practical outcome will be that if you do get scamed, then tough luck and you don't get your stuff back, but at least the scammers themselves will be punished. Do I have that right?
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
Bloodbound.
77
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:40:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:GM Spiral wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this. You are always responsible for the outcome of any deal you enter into yourself in EVE Online, Customer Support can not protect you from your own choices. Posting scams in the Recruitment Channel is forbidden in the same way that posting off topic there is forbidden. It is a measure of moderation of the channel, being a member of the channel does not carry with it any implied protection from such scams any more than being a member of the Help channel does. So the practical outcome will be that if you do get scamed, then tough luck and you don't get your stuff back, but at least the scammers themselves will be punished. Do I have that right? You have really bad reading comprehension skills. I don't see how he could've made it any more clear. P.S. Your posting stinks.
Your a goon. Goons have trouble with subtleties. Enough said.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:45:00 -
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Killiana Lett wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:
Your a goon. Goons have trouble with subtleties. Enough said.
You're* Also, he was right about your reading comprehension skills and bad posting.
You're quite correct about you're. Still a goon though.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
Bloodbound.
77
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:08:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Triskian wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:[quote=GM Spiral]Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this. You are always responsible for the outcome of any deal you enter into yourself in EVE Online, Customer Support can not protect you from your own choices. Posting scams in the Recruitment Channel is forbidden in the same way that posting off topic there is forbidden. It is a measure of moderation of the channel, being a member of the channel does not carry with it any implied protection from such scams any more than being a member of the Help channel does. So the practical outcome will be that if you do get scamed, then tough luck and you don't get your stuff back, but at least the scammers themselves will be punished. Do I have that right? Your a goon. Goons have trouble with subtleties. Enough said. That's prejudice, you sir are not only a bad poster, but racist against Goons. Even when they're trying to help you by giving you constructive criticism and making a subtle suggestion you reread the post you resort to stereotyping me simply because of what I am.
I am a racist against Goons. Not against EULA though.....
Andski says I have it right, and Killiana Lett says I do not. Not going to trust goons anyways, so still seaking a GM clarification.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
Bloodbound.
77
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:27:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Scammer A posts in Recruitment channel looking for people to "join" his corp for the opportunity of a lifetime.
Mark B gets scammed by Scammer A.
Mark B reports Scammer A.
Mark B gets told "tough luck" by CCP.
Scammer A gets punished by CCP for posting "off topic" in the channel, we'll say this punishment is a ban from the channel (which is a likely outcome).
Scammer A gets to keep what he scammed but is unable to find more marks in the channel.
How hard is this to understand?
Now could a GM say this please.
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http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
Bloodbound.
77
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:11:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Ptraci wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: It just proves that goons still control Eve . LOL! Yeah. OK. Keep telling yourself that. Andski complained and rule changed. When is the last time a pubby had that pull? There was no rule change. Andskis brilliant reasoning just made it clear to CCP that the current wording of the rule in the recruitment channel was inappropriate and needed to be made clear. We all should be thankful for this.
Except it's not clear.
People using the channel need to know if they can be scammed or not. A GM telling them that recruitment scams are not allowed, but then when they do get scammed it's tough luck, is only mudding the waters.
If something happens that is not allowed, people want to be reimbursed and compensated.
Still waiting for a full and final clarification from a GM.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
Bloodbound.
77
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:49:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts and inappropriate language removed. Please stay civil, polite and on topic. I would also like to remind you on rules 9, 10 and 13 of our forum rules.
CCP Phantom, you deleted GM Sprials post which was ment to be a final clarification of the issue at hand. Is he going to repost it?
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
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